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11 tactics from Kishi
My 2 apps made $1.5M
Watch the full episode“So it wasn't even a product it wasn't an app it was just some back end I was playing around with It was a script on NestJS that I had built Eventually my friends invited me to homecoming I gave a few people the app to play around with And this was probably the first time that my high school friends cared about anything I was working on That was when I realized that there might actually be something here”
Build the Scrappy Backend Version Before Committing to a Full Product
Kishi did not build Social Wizard as an app initially. He wrote a quick NestJS script to solve his own problem, then handed it to friends at homecoming. The moment his peers actually cared about it was the signal he needed to polish and ship it properly.
“Always optimize for a stack that would get your product out there as soon as possible and is highly scalable”
Always Optimize Your Tech Stack to Get Something Shipped Fast
When asked about his tech choices, Kishi explained his entire stack in under a minute: React Native, NestJS, Firebase, and Mixpanel. His guiding principle is not to pick the coolest tools but to pick what ships fastest. Overcomplicated stacks slow you down before you have a single paying customer.
“Distribution is always a show don't tell game A lot of people think you need to try and sell your products but demo what it does Show people how it works If they find value in it they're going to download it They're going to give you money and your app is going to scale”
Demo the Product in Action Instead of Pitching Its Features
Kishi paid a micro-streamer $120 to use Social Wizard on camera while trying to reply to a girl's story. The viewer never felt sold to — they just watched someone solve a relatable problem in real time. That single video hit 2 million views and brought in tens of thousands of dollars.
“A lot of people believe in this idea of virality being a luck game But if you're putting out a 100 videos per day that's 700 videos in a week If one went viral I don't think you would call that luck You would pretty much think that you earned that And so when it comes to distribution it's never luck It's deterministic”
Treat Virality as Deterministic Volume Not Random Luck
Kishi's playbook starts with three videos a day across two accounts, then ramps to ten, then twenty, then a hundred. The frame shift is important: going viral is not a lottery ticket but a numbers game you can engineer. Volume and consistency replace hope as the distribution strategy.
“none of them were really making content for our space about social skills It was kind of a lot of different things They were making content about Fortnite you know people breaking into McDonald's just crazy stuff They were reacting to videos but again they were hitting our audience”
Target Adjacent Creators Who Already Reach Your Exact Demographic
Kishi found that micro-streamers making completely unrelated content — Fortnite, reaction videos, random stunts — were still reaching the 16-24 male demographic he needed. He partnered with these adjacent creators rather than hunting for niche-specific influencers. This unlocked a much larger pool of willing collaborators and cost him far less per placement.
“I went to the app store and I searched up advice life advice I didn't really see any apps that could help me”
Validate App Demand by Searching the App Store Before Building
Before building Social Wizard, Kishi ran a simple search in the App Store for 'life advice' and found no satisfying results — confirming an unmet demand. This organic store-search behavior functions exactly like keyword intent research: real users actively looking for a solution signal a ready market. Finding the gap in existing listings gave him confidence to build.
“It's a weekly subscription about $10 a week We have a monthly about 20 bucks and there is a yearly for about 80”
Lead With Weekly Plans to Lower the Commitment Barrier for New Users
Kishi structured Social Wizard's pricing with a weekly option as the entry point at $10, followed by monthly at $20 and yearly at $80. This tiered approach made the app accessible to his core demographic of 16-24 year olds who may be hesitant to commit to longer billing cycles. The weekly tier lowered friction while still driving recurring revenue at scale.
“I think for both apps really what we're selling was confidence”
Extrapolate the Deeper Desire Your App Fulfills and Sell That Instead
Kishi noted that both Social Wizard and Clean Eats were fundamentally selling confidence, not features. Understanding the emotional outcome — not the functional description — is what drives conversions. He reframed a nutrition app as a skincare tool and immediately unlocked a more motivated audience.
“I haven't spent a dollar on marketing within the last year and we're literally still printing which is really good”
Put Apps on Autopilot Once the Organic Distribution Flywheel Self-Sustains
After cracking the viral format and scaling it across creators, Kishi stopped active marketing spend entirely and let the existing content flywheel sustain downloads. He then moved on to building his second app while Social Wizard continued generating revenue passively. The implication is that durable top-of-funnel content keeps bringing in new users without additional spend.
“You're not crazy for being extremely obsessed with your goals You're not weird if you choose not to go out on the weekends because building is all you love to do And this is something I heard from Alex Mozi To be exceptional by definition you have to be the exception”
Embrace Being the Exception to Succeed at an Exceptional Level
Kishi moved to the US with $100 and had months to prove himself before financial pressure would force him to stop. He used that urgency to stay locked in while peers were socializing. His closing advice frames that intensity not as sacrifice but as a natural trait of people who want extraordinary outcomes.
“after Apple takes their cuts profit margins are really over 90% Because there wasn't really much we're spending money on So every month we only spend like 1 to maybe 2K on infrastructure cost These apps barely cost anything to run”
Keep Infrastructure Costs Under Two Thousand Dollars Monthly to Print Profit
With Social Wizard generating up to $60,000 a month at its peak, Kishi kept server, database, and infrastructure costs to $1,000–$2,000 per month. The only real cost center was creator marketing, which he treated as a performance channel with measurable ROI. This margin structure meant cash compounded fast without outside funding.